william cohen served as secretary of defense during the clinton administration, and joins me now. right now leon panetta had to go to the brussels meeting, the mato meeting, and we are still waiting on chuck hagel, but the big difference is that with senator richard shelby yesterday, republicans saying he will support chuck hagel, clearly they all think, the white house thinks, and so do the hagel forces that they're going to have the 60 votes to overcome that filibuster. how damaged, though, has he been? has this all been to him? >> well, i think it's part of the damage that we're inflicting upon ourselves. it's the old expression, the most grieveus wounds are those that are self-inflicted. we've been inflicting serious damage on our credibility. not just at home, but abroad in the middle east region. the world is punching us. we can't make a decision on budgets. we're going over a fiscal cliff, as such, with sequestration and becoming part of the -- actually taking the -- we're losing credibility. i think this will highly impact -- i think chuck hagel should be confirmed. if he